08 June 2009 @ 12:33 pm
Feminism ftl.  
Okay, I am sick and tired of these "sexually liberated" women downing on men. Why is it that in nearly every comedy with a family the father/husband is stupid and usually fat? Why? What does that say about how men are supposed to act in a family situation? It is not okay for women to immediately sigh and say "oh, those men - can't take them anywhere" and give some simpering apologetic smile and walk their husband off to train them to do better. If someone treated me like that I'd be pissed off. No wonder men are overcompensating by dating only airheaded frivolous women - they're too self absorbed or too idiotic to prod at men's egos.

Furthermore, comments like the one below make me even angrier:

A woman asked a sexual advice columnist how to make the sex between herself and her husband a little less routine. This is the very first thing that columnist said:

"First, realize that men have delicate egos and never want to hear that they’re not God’s gift to women in bed."

What? WHAT? What kind of advice is THAT? EVERYONE HAS A DELICATE EGO. EVERYONE, you stupid bitch! No one wants to hear that they are subpar in bed - and where to you come off assuming that, one: the women feels the sex with her husband is subpar, and two: that it is his fault the sex is boring? What is WRONG with you?

Why is it okay for women to talk down to men, constantly pick and prod at their egos, whine and bitch about them but then give them absolutely no means by which to please womenkind? What do you people want out of your men? DO you want them to be a useless pile of manmeat who follows you around and does whatever you'd like? How is it that women can be so chauvanistic and no one calls them on their bullshit? If a man did that to a women - constant put her down, blamed her for all which is lacking in a relationship, assumed that she was just a silly thing, or complained about her ego - she would flip a shit and call him a pig, a womanizer, an all-around terrible human being. And yet it is okay for women to do that to men?

Men have egos. Big ones. Trying to strip them of that is not going to achieve anything other than another failed relationship - talk to him like a person, not a pet, and see if you can't find a balance between his ego and yours. Hey - that's a healthy relationship! Wow!

Men also are intelligent, capable human beings, not at all like their modern depictions. They are not fat retards with a "heart of gold" you must treat like a four year old. They make mistakes, sure, sometimes dumb-as-post mistakes, but guess what, ladies - so do we. They do something stupid, talk to them, help them, forgive them, but don't just sigh and attempt to train the dumb out of them as they "just can't help it - they're only a man, after all".


Isn't all of this the same thing that women have been fighting against? Treating women like they are simple or stupid, like they can't have an ego of their own, like they are to blame for the relationship's shortcomings? I think so. That does not give women leave to treat men like they are lesser creatures.

I guess it comes down to this: you can't cram men into categories like "sensitive" or "manly" or "intelligent" - they, like us, are mixtures of all different kinds of things. If you are allowed to have an ego of your own, so are they - if it gets in the way, figure out how to maneuver yourselves so that no one's ego gets bruised. You cannot look at a man's mistake and write it off as "well, he is just a man" - that would piss you off and therefore will piss them off (not to mention it will make them want to avoid women who might do that to them). And most importantly, men are people. Treat them like you want them to treat you. Do not objectify them, categorize them, talk down to them or treat them like they are less intelligent than you.

It's no wonder so many women are having problems keeping a relationship. Everything they see is either male chauvanism or female chauvanism. I can't think of any example in popular culture of a healthy male-female romantic relationship.

And that's just sad.
 
 
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[info]zephret on June 8th, 2009 07:56 pm (UTC)
THANK YOU.

No one believes me when I start talking about how the innate masculinity of men is under attack in popular culture. It's like little boys are expected to sit down, be quiet and behave like the girls. It's really sad.

Thank you for sticking up for us :)
Andi[info]revenantcupcake on June 8th, 2009 08:05 pm (UTC)
:3
Nicole[info]iraenicole on June 8th, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
Eh usually when I hear about innate masculinity of men under attack is talking about how people are allowing boys to escape the traditional roles and expressions they are stuck with. Either they are talking about GBT kids or allowing them to do "girly" activities like ballet or something. So take it with a grain of salt.
Nicole[info]iraenicole on June 8th, 2009 09:31 pm (UTC)
An example of what I mean, though extreme, would be the KRXQ radio hosts in Sacramento who when talking about a trans girl, started advocating for beating boys who dared wear high heels.
never been a pill or sin I couldn't swallow: had you ever gotten a perm before?[info]gratuity on June 8th, 2009 08:30 pm (UTC)
This is a good post and you should feel good.

No, really, my surrogate older brother and I have discussed this a lot.

It's kind of like when girls think it's funny or empowering or badass to kick douchey guys (or even their friends, for that matter) in the balls. I would never do that unless it was self defense. If a guy friend came up and cuntpunched you or punched you in the breasts would you (general you, not actually you, of course) call that funny? No, you'd call it assault.

And why is it okay for girls to post those facebook quizzes about their "perfect guys", but when a guy does it, it's considered offensive? If every girl would stop idealizing the "perfect guy" who doesn't make mistakes and worships them and never hurts their feelings inadvertently, they are never going to have a successful relationship.

I really hate gender double-standards, and this post made me happy.
Nicole[info]iraenicole on June 8th, 2009 09:24 pm (UTC)
Hee this reminds me of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. The world it is set in seems like while its not quite a world where run everything, women seem to hold a lot of the power at the time of the books. The interactions between men and women tend to be terrible with women looking down on the men and being a bit abusive at times and the men always talking about how women are some big mystery. It can ruin the series.

The author though has stated oddly enough that it was how he and his wife interact to some extent and he was happy with it.
Andi[info]revenantcupcake on June 8th, 2009 09:28 pm (UTC)
I am very much the dominant one in my relationship with Vince, but it is mutual - he would rather I be dominant. That does not mean, however, that I am more and he is less. We are still equals. So I totally get what that author means, but I dislike it when dominant women are depicted as bitches or submissive men are depicted as useless or slavish.
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